Could a Mark after birth on Forehead be an Hemangioma?

Size of hemangioma at 11 months old I have a family member who has an 8 month baby girl with what appears to be a hemangioma on her upper forehead. It is growing and the high class pediatrician told the mom to not worry it would go away. The local GP doctor in mom's small town was very concerned 2 months ago, measured it, etc.

Baby didn't have it at birth. Someone shared that the blood pressure in a newborn and a baby are different, so that may be why they don't show up at birth

These are some concerns I have that might contribute to such a condition, per a study I have done in last 2 years on a particular chemical exposure (that is commonplace)

I was also immediately 'on guard' when the baby was 5 weeks premature. There is no reason the mom should have had a premature baby. She is a big sized girl and there is no such family history of premature births.

There are premature births with those harmed by 2-butoxyethanol which I have learned a lot about these past 3 years. I do suspect this chemical for the cause of harm for many, such as those with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, CFIDS, 'gulf war syndrome'

When I found that Accutane had the same symptoms as 2-butoxyethanol I was amazed. One year later, in relooking at the web page I had done, I noticed it had a butylated inert ingredient

At the very least the harm of this commonly used chemical component in many products, is unrecognized

Some 'gulf war syndrome' vets have shared with me that their children have been born so prematurely, as to not be able to survive. AND they give up trying to have a child. Or I hear that they are unable to have children because the man has ZERO sperm & that there is no reason this should be so, other than exposure to the 2-butoxyethanol as this Coast Guard Man shared with me 

I have a woman friend in IL whom I suspect to be harmed from this chemical by using Lysol tub 'n tile through the years. It has a compounded version of this. Worst exposure is at cuticle areas and in the eye membranes. Her son and his wife have been trying for the past 15 years, ever since I've known Helen & before ... to have a child. He took Accutane as a teen. I wonder, I tell you the truth, I wonder if that could be the cause.

In looking thru the NJ Hazard info sheet (6 pdf pages)
It states p.2 Reproductive Hazard
"2-butoxyEthanol may damage the testes (male reproductive glands)"


Why I looked into 2-butoxyethanol in the first place


This article, "Strawberry hemangiomas" appears to be very informative
Question: When our son was two weeks old, a pink mark appeared between his nose and mouth. Since then the mark has grown to almost the size of a dime and has become bright red and slightly raised. Our doctor has told us it is a strawberry hemangioma birthmark and will most likely get bigger. We are upset because the mark is in a prominent spot and is the first thing people notice about our son. How large is it likely to get, and what, if anything, can be done to remove this mark?

Answer: Strawberry hemangiomas are the most common tumors of infancy. I say tumor, not as it is typically used to mean cancer, but rather, meaning a collection of cells. In the case of hemangiomas, the collection of cells are those that make up tiny blood vessels. Strawberry hemangiomas, while they are technically birth marks, are often not noticed at birth. In fact, they usually do not become obvious until the first few weeks of life. These occur more often in females than males and are more commonly seen in Caucasian infants than in other racial groups. The vast majority of these occur as one solitary mark. However, in about 20 percent of these infants, more than one may be present.

Probably the most concerning problem for parents associated with these mostly benign birth marks is that they undergo rapid growth over the first six to ten months of life. Thus, what began as a mild blemish can become a quite noticeable mark on the body, usually the face. After this rapid growth phase, it's size only increases in proportion to the child's normal growth. Then over the next several years, the red color of the hemangioma begins to fade the mark dissolves away. Most of the time, there is little if any mark left behind. However, some may have pale scar where the hemangioma used to be. Strawberry hemangiomas completely resolve in 50 percent of children by age five and 70 percent by age seven. The rest show gradual fading completed by the time they reach the teenage years.

The vast majority of children with strawberry hemangiomas experience no complications. However, there are a few who do encounter some problems. In less than five percent of children, the hemangioma can leave a divot in the skin during its fading away phase. These usually occur when the lips are involved. In addition, uncommonly, the hemangioma can enlarge to involve structures vital to eyesight or breathing. Hemangiomas that involve the eyelids can hamper eyesight by their growth, which in turn causes the eyelid to droop. While this condition is transient, because the hemangioma will fade away, having the eyesight blocked by the eyelid can cause significant problems with the development of correct vision. In addition, these birthmarks can rarely involve the inside of the mouth and throat which could cause difficulty breathing.

Because strawberry hemangiomas rarely cause significant medical or cosmetic problems, treatment is usually reserved for those who are at high risk for complications. In these cases, high doses of steroid medication given orally are usually first tried. In addition, there is now a good amount of experience using certain laser therapy techniques. However, the use of this technology has not yet become widespread.

I am sure your baby's appearance is quite a distressing factor for you. Unfortunately, it is impossible to predict exactly how much larger it will get. And anytime there are unknown factors, it will certainly cause more stress for you. First, I would suggest to you that the overwhelming majority of babies with strawberry hemangiomas located in the spot you describe have no medical complications arising from them. In addition, the odds are also way in your son's favor that it will resolve over time causing little or no mark by the time he reaches school age. I would advise against any massaging as this will not make it resolve any faster, and in fact, you could cause some bleeding within the hemangioma which could cause complications or scarring. To date, there is no topical medications or creams that have proven to be effective in reducing these birthmarks.

I would talk to your doctor about your concerns. Specifically, ask if you can have him show you a number of "before and after" pictures from pediatric dermatology texts. Being able to actually see cases of children who have had strawberry hemangiomas more extensive than your son's which resolved on their own may ease your mind. And finally, having a dermatologist examine it may be helpful but may also be a waste of your time and money because most are hesitant to do any treatment unless there is a significant medical or cosmetic risk. On the other hand, if talking to your doctor has not reassured you, getting a second opinion from a dermatologist would certainly not be unreasonable and could do a lot to arm you with more information. by Robert Steele, M.D. http://parenting.ivillage.com

I am also wondering about the neuroblastoma tumors of early childhood, such as Alex had 

Well the chemical I'm talking about, can affect the developing fetus as 2-butoxyethanol and diethylene glycol monobutyl ether are teratogens. Since second hand exposure is possible, I also wonder about SIDS with this chemical. 

It has many other aspects of harm, so unless someone has CFIDS or 'gulf war syndrome' assortment of symtpoms. Don't suspect this chemical
www.valdezlink.com/acute.htm www.valdezlink.com/scenario.htm

AND horrible headaches off and on 

AND brain tumors ... 

Tumors of every kind & pituitary tumors or melanoma issues, it should be suspect for

This is how you identify major exposure to it: autoimmune issues - Such as to the red blood cells

So, maybe there is help for baby, if you give 'stop the autoimmune' vitamins? 

Could glyconutrients help

You would be surprised to learn how many things are autoimmune
http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/autoimmune.htm

I've heard that these can also be internal

2-17-05

which I posted in general terms on this forum

What should these parents do, since the advice by the doctors is mixed & no one in the area seems to be that knowledgeable?

I don't know this baby Dr's thoughts on the matter, but have some input for him to consider, (From past experience, though, the GP is not interested in being 'helped out')
NOTHING

My youngest has one in an obvious location about the size of a silver dollar.

When she was a little girl, we told her it was an angel kiss.

When she went to school, it had diminished in size greatly, but would "bloom" when her blood pressure went up...like after playing and running around. We always told her teachers about it and they were able to help her if awkward situations arose with other children.

As she grew up, it disappeared.

She is now over 18 years old and you can no longer see it at all. It's been gone for several years. I do not recall seeing it since she was 15 or 16 years old.

If it becomes a problem a very good - highly experienced plastic surgeon may be able to take care of it. It would not be covered under most insurance because it is cosmetic.

No know health risks that I have ever heard of from our doctors over the years.

My .02...nothing more...nothing less...no obligation...no medical advice given, just our experience.
I have a co-worker whose daughter had two of these on her face -- one about the size of a silver dollar on her forehead, and one about the size of a dime on her cheek. At age 14, the one on the cheek is completely gone, and the one on the forehead has diminished greatly and is easily concealed now with makeup and bangs. She expects it to be gone completely in a few more years. The doctors (including the co-worker's father, who is a retired GP) always emphasized that any medical treatment or plastic surgery would cause more damage and scarring than just leaving it alone to fade away on its own.

Which of these health ailments do you have? X

Grannie Maggie: I read your post with great interest. There has been published studies on Gulf War I veterans and an increase in infants with hemangioma following their return home. (these were their offspring) Accutane also is a known teratoma inducer, known to produce tumors inutero. Patients must agree to not get pregnant on the drug but I am not sure what the long term side effects on developing ovum would be. Seems like it could cause mutagenic effects including to the egg prior to fertilization which could be passed along.

The chemicals in our environment can and do have health effects. It is very concerning when you read all of the information. While officially there is no known cause or effect relationship specific to hemangioma at this time, I am sure in the future we will understand more what chemicals have induced certain tumor formation.

Thank you for your thought provoking post.
Karla Hall
Administrator
National Organization of Vascular Anomalies

& My thoughts in return:
Thank you for your interest. I appreciate what you shared, as some of it, I did not know about the gulf war vets & their children. In an article shared with me, a vet states he came down with AML (acute myelogenous leukemia type m4) and another article commented on the following cancers:

Gulf War Related illnesses that include:
Brain, Bone, Liver, Lung, Leukaemia, Kidney, Bladder and Prostate cancer, all of which, per my understanding of 2-butoxyaethanol, could be the cause of each.

I noticed these postings about melanoma cancers, and felt the same way. And some more thoughts along these lines. This chemical is a neurotoxin, a solvent, a pesticide, a poison, a teratogen, and an EDC

I firmly believe, after spending a lot of time looking into what 2-butoxyethanol does (5-6 hours a day every day since June, 2002) that this is the chemical that causes so much cancer and birth defects and tumors of every kind, every age; and since the 1930s when it was invented. Even WWII and all wars since. And moms just cleaning at home, or those who clean anywhere, mechanics, painters ... it's a long list of those harmed.

I suspect it for causing some men to be unable to father children, and even for male teens who took Accutane. And and as you suggest, even harm to the egg that a woman has from birth ... prior to conception; this acne medication is not being prescribed properly. In my opinion, it is like self-inflicting a 'gulf war syndrome' upon oneself: drying out the whole body, not just the acne, etc.

The reason it is so harmful is that it is an Endocrine Disruptor Chemical, in my opinion more harmful than DDT. I believe when the public realizes how this one chemical has affected them, they will ask the US Congress to ban it. AND it should be added to the list of allowable disabilities, not only for the 'gulf war syndrome' vet, but also for all military since the 1930s

I would like to see a study go forth with glyconutrients helping the body to stop the autoimmune function ... & get help for these, as now there doesn't seem to be very much help.

I believe CFS, CFIDS and 'gulf war syndrome' are essentially the same thing. Ask parents to include tests for blood in urine and whether or not their red blood cells are predominantly immature. This is the clue of this chemical's harm

2-22-05

Just a bit more ....

the info you've received is sound

here's another link
http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic201.htm

although it is normal to go through a personal archeology for reasons following any unexpected diagnosis, hemangiomas are not caused by anything mom or dad did, and are not preventable as such.

as for "internal" hemangiomas -- very rare and unless you were to do an MRI or CT of the body, they would not be detected. from what little i remember, having an external hemangioma doesn't change the risk of an internal one.

3-9-05

 Hemangioma: the most common benign tumor

of infancy and children  *


Approximately thirty percent of all hemangiomas are visible at birth. The remaining seventy percent become visible within one to four weeks after birth.

Liver Hemangioma  *

HELP?   Bev, the product that helped your husband, could it be a help to babies with suspected birth defects from similar chemical exposure of their parents or grandparents?  Margaret e-mail

Yes, it should be a benefit to babies.  Our 4 granddaughters take OPC-3 and have since birth.  One of them is chemical sensitive as Gary is and has been since birth—she is 5 years old now.  …the other 3 have allergies and they take it everyday for preventative.

It is sad that animals suffer too. They breathe the same air we do. We know as we have always had other kinds of animals - not dogs and cats, but our domestic farm of llamas, goats, geese, rabbits and chickens.  We have a job not only protecting Gary from the neighbors chemicals, but the animals too as they are outside more.  We have given these animals OPC-3 on occasion. 

                        Bev   3-17-95   Gary's Story